Friday, February 27, 2009



Don't be surprised if either a) you don't hear the anti-Christian big corporate media even report this,
or b) they report it in some derogatory, undermining fashion.  Is it any wonder that the major daily
newspapers are suffering huge revenue losses, experiencing layoffs, and in general, being replaced
in many ways by the New Media ?  The Old Media has not reported truth, they have censored, twisted,
and promoted an agenda while "conservative" talk radio for example has grown tremendously.  Even
today, the 150-year-old Rocky Mountain News daily newspaper in Denver, CO is closing down.  If you
want to really learn what's happening of importance to Christians, go to internet sites like

Montana Personhood Constitutional Amendment Passes Senate,
First In US History

From Personhood USA press release below (2/26/09):

"Helena, Montana - 02/26/2009 - Montana's Senate passed constitutional Personhood Amendment,
SB 406, in a 26-24 vote. The amendment, introduced by Senator Dan McGee, passed on its third
reading on the Senate floor this morning.
This is the first Personhood Amendment in U.S. history
to pass a State Senate

"SB 406 must continue on to pass the Montana House of Representatives with a majority vote of 74.
The race is on between Montana and North Dakota for the first Personhood legislation in our nation's
history, as Montana's Personhood Amendment continues on to its House of Representatives, and
North Dakota's Personhood legislation continues on to its Senate."



Six states are known to presently have Personhood bills filed in the State Legislatures for 2009:

- Alabama, Georgia, Maryland, Montana, North Dakota, South Carolina
(see bills further below)    

- Maryland's and Montana's filings are each for a Personhood Amendment to their State Constitutions;
  the other four states have Personhood Bills for statutory changes to the state's code of laws
(This is a correction to an earlier CCL report entitled: North Dakota Personhood Bill Passes, First In US History (2/24/09) which
   incorrectly stated: "Maryland's filing is for a  Maryland State Constitutional Personhood Amendment; the other five states have bills
   for statutory changes to the state's code of laws" )      

- Establishing in law (by statutory change to the state's code of laws, or by a state constitutional
  amendment) legal "personhood" for pre-birth human beings, at fertilization, with no exceptions,
  satisfies the requirement spelled out in the infamous 1973 Roe v. Wade decision, to "collapse"
  the [so-called] "legal" argument for abortion:

The 1973 US Supreme Court Roe v. Wade decision instructed that if “personhood” for the “fetus” was
  established at fertilization, with no exceptions, then the legal argument for abortion “collapses.”
  “If this suggestion of personhood is established, the [abortion]
case, of course, collapses,
  for the fetus’ right to life would then be guaranteed specifically by the
  ( Roe v. Wade, )    

- In other words, pass "personhood" legislation in your state, as a bill, or as a constitutional
  amendment, and according to the U.S. Supreme Court Roe v. Wade decision itself, [so-called]
  "legal" abortion is over. 
As the article below reports, Montana has now become the first state
in US history to pass a Personhood Amendment (to the State Constitution) in a State Senate
   (or in a State House) !   Praise the Lord !

- This effort of passing Personhood legislation can begin with finding even just one Christian,
   principled "pro-personhood" pro-life / anti-abortion State House or State Senate member in
   your state, and asking them to introduce a Personhood Bill.  Look below at the links to the
   actual seven bills in ALA, GA, MD, MONT, ND, and SC
(2 - House and Senate companion bills),
   and consider which version of Personhood legislation best fits your state's constitution,
   state laws, and state legislature. 
Pray, and get started !!!  Abortion could have been banned
   over 36 years ago by vesting legal personhood at fertilization with no exceptions.

God's Requirement for Murder is Justice, not Regulation !   (Ps. 97:2, Prov. 21:3)
Steve Lefemine
February 27, 2009






Montana Personhood Amendment Passes
State Senate, 26-24 Vote.

Submitted by Keith on Thu, 02/26/2009 - 19:12.

Helena, Montana - 02/26/2009 - Montana's Senate passed constitutional Personhood Amendment, SB 406, in a 26-24 vote.
The amendment, introduced by Senator Dan McGee, passed on its third reading on the Senate floor this morning.
This is the first Personhood Amendment in U.S. history to pass a State Senate.

"Senator Dan McGee, writing the language of SB 406 himself, has shown what it truly means to be pro-life," stated Keith Mason,
of Personhood USA. "Senator McGee's successful efforts on behalf of all human beings at all stages of human life are a giant step
forward in historic efforts to ensure the rights and protection of every individual."

SB 406, which defines person for the purposes of application of inalienable rights, states, "All persons are born free and have
certain inalienable rights...person means a human being at all stages of human development of life, including the state of
fertilization or conception, regardless of age, health, level of functioning, or condition of dependency."

"Praise God! The honor of being the first State Senate in U.S. history to recognize the personhood of pre-born children goes
to Montana," commented Cal Zastrow of Personhood USA. "Thanks to the leadership of Sen. Dan McGee, The Montana
Personhood Amendment now moves forward to the State House of Representatives."

SB 406 must continue on to pass the Montana House of Representatives with a majority vote of 74. The race is on between
Montana and North Dakota for the first Personhood legislation in our nation's history, as Montana's Personhood Amendment
continues on to its House of Representatives, and North Dakota's Personhood legislation continues on to its Senate.

Personhood USA is a grassroots Christian organization founded to establish personhood efforts across America to create protection
for every child by love and by law. Personhood USA is committed to assisting and supporting Personhood Legislation and
Constitutional Amendments and building local pro-life organizations through raising awareness of the personhood of the pre-born.

For Interviews please call Personhood USA @ 202-595-3500 or
Senator Dan McGee 406-628-6534
For More Information please visit

Personhood USA PO Box 486 Arvada CO. 80001






2009-2010 State-Level Personhood (and other selected) Legislation:
- Including State-Level Personhood Bills and Constitutional Amendments
Updated February 27, 2009

States with active "Personhood" legislation to ban abortion include

1) Alabama (SB335) - Person, definition of for Code construction includes human being
                                        from moment of fertilization (sponsor: Senator Hank Erwin)
First Reading -  02/10/2009; Pending Committee Action in Senate Judiciary

2) Georgia (HR 5) - Paramount right to life; human beings; provisions (six sponsors)
- pre-filed - November 18, 2008
- First Readers - January 16, 2009
- Second Readers - January 26, 2009

3) Maryland (HOUSE BILL 925) - Maryland Personhood Amendment (34 sponsors)
- 2/12 - First Reading Health and Government Operations

4) Montana (SB 406) - Montana Personhood Amendment;
                                         Constitutionally define person
(sponsor: Senator Daniel McGee)$.startup (enter SB 406)
Current Bill Progress:
Transmitted to Second House

(S) Transmitted to House 02/26/2009     
(S) 3rd Reading Passed 02/26/2009
26 24 
(S) Scheduled for 3rd Reading 02/26/2009     
(S) 2nd Reading Passed 02/25/2009
26 23 
(S) Scheduled for 2nd Reading 02/25/2009     
(S) Taken from Committee; Placed on 2nd Reading 02/25/2009
27 23 (S) Judiciary
(S) Motion Failed 02/24/2009 24 26 
(S) Hearing 02/19/2009     (S) Judiciary
(S) First Reading 02/09/2009
(S) Referred to Committee 02/09/2009     (S) Judiciary
(S) Introduced 02/09/2009

5) North Dakota (H.1572) - North Dakota Personhood Bill (sponsor: Rep. Dan Ruby)
- filed January 19, 2009, House Committee hearing February 10, 2009, passed by North Dakota House,
by vote of 51 Y - 41 N, on February 17,
02/18 Senate Received from House

6) South Carolina (H.3256 / S.450) - South Carolina Personhood Bills
                                   SC House (52 sponsors) / SC Senate (11 sponsors)

SC House Personhood Bill:
- filed February 12, 2009, Referred to Committee on Judiciary

SC Senate Personhood Bill:

- filed February 18, 2009, Referred to Committee on Judiciary




2007 -2008 State-Level Personhood (and other selected) Legislation
- Including State-Level Personhood Bills and Constitutional Amendments
- AL, CO, GA, MT, SC, VA
Updated February 14, 2008


Personhood Amendment in Colorado (ballot initiative voted on November 4, 2008)
- Historic, first-time-ever, state-wide vote conducted on a "Personhood" Constitutional Amendment

Colorado Personhood Amendment to State Constitution - results of November 4, 2008 ballot initiative
Amendment 48-Definition of Person Results
100% reporting ( 3215 precincts )
Ballot-Vote   Vote percentage   Vote count
No                    73.2%            (1,605,978)
Yes                   26.7%             (585,561)

God's requirement for Murder is JUSTICE, not Regulation !!!


"If thou faint in the day of adversity, thy strength is small.

"If thou forbear to deliver them that are drawn unto death,
and those that are ready to be slain;

"If thou sayest, Behold we knew it not;
doth not he that pondereth the heart consider it ?
and he that keepeth thy soul, doth not he know it ?
and shall not he render to every man according to his works ?"

Proverbs 24:10-12

Parable of the Good Samaritan

The Saviour said, "Which now of these three, thinkest thou,
was neighbor unto him that fell among the thieves ?"

Luke 10:29-37  [ Answer:  It was the SAMARITAN, not the religious priest or Levite ! ]


Matthew 19:19

     "If I profess with the loudest voice and clearest exposition every portion of the truth of God
[ including EVANGELISM ] except precisely that little point which the world and the devil
are at the moment attacking
[ i.e., in 20th/21st century America, CHILD-MURDER-BY-ABORTION ]
I am not confessing Christ, however boldly I may be professing Christ."

     "Where the battle rages, there the loyalty of the soldier is proved and
to be steady on all
the battlefield besides is mere flight and disgrace if he flinches at that one point

Martin Luther, catalyst of the Reformation





Psalm 33:12; Proverb 14:34; Psalm 9:17; 2 Kings 24:1-4; Jeremiah 19:3-5; Psalm 106:37-42

"America repent" (music video)
"Contemporary Christian Artist: Tim Juillet"

"The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God."
Psalm 9:17, KJB

"But judgment shall return unto righteousness: and all the upright in heart shall follow it."

Psalm 94:15, KJB

Biblical "Separation" for a Nation

"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion
hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement
hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be
their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord,..." 2 Corinthians 6:14-17a (KJB)
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another,
and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent
respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
The Declaration of Independence
is part of the organic law of the United States of America United States Code Annotated

The people of Iraq have far greater freedom to enshrine their national religion of Islam in the legal structure of their country than do Americans
to honor Christianity and Biblical Law in the United States.  Christianity was by far the predominant faith of the founding generations of America,
from Jamestown in 1607 to the Declaration of Independence in 1776, and beyond, as the historical record clearly shows

No King but King Jesus!    ((Yeshua Messiah)
Declarations and Evidences of Christian Faith in America’s Colonial Charters, State Constitutions,
and other Historical Documents during over 375 Years of American History: 1606 to 1982

The Sixth President of the United States, John Quincy Adams (son of John Adams, the Second US President, and a signer of the
Declaration of Independence), said: "The highest glory of the American Revolution was this; it connected in one indissoluble bond the
principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity."  and "From the day of the Declaration... they (the American people)
were bound by the laws of God, which they all, and by the laws of The Gospel, which they nearly all, acknowledge as the rules of their conduct." 
Tragically, today in 2008, American law has become exceedingly anti-Christian.  Witness the government-protected murder of
One Million pre-birth human beings each year (

The Constitution of the United States should be amended as first proposed by the National Reform Association in 1864, with a Christian Amendment: 

Confession of the Saviour (Messiah) as the Ruler of Nations, including America, by amending the Preamble to the United States Constitution
In 1864, the National Reform Association advocated amending the Preamble of the Constitution of the United States to read, in substance
     "We, the people of the United States, humbly acknowledging Almighty God as the source of all authority and power
       in civil government, the Lord Jesus Christ as the Ruler among the nations, his revealed will as the supreme law of the land,
       in order to constitute a Christian government, and in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic
       tranquillity, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the inalienable rights and the blessings
       of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness to ourselves, our posterity, and all the people, do ordain and establish this
       Constitution for the United States of America."

Explicitly Christian Politics: The Vision of the National Reform Association
"Since 1864 the National Reform Association has advocated an explicitly Christian approach to politics.
In this book their vision of politics, based on the mediatorial reign of Jesus Christ over the nations, is explained for a new generation."

February 5, 1874, Wednesday

Further articles on
the National Reform Association,_U.S .)

"... I will build My church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."  Matthew 16:18
    Yeshua Messiah

Hallelu-Yah !

Steve Lefemine, pro-life missionary
dir., Columbia Christians for Life
PO Box 50358
Columbia, SC
(803) 794-6273
February 27, 2009






Wednesday, February 25, 2009

Rich SheridanPresident Ronald Reagan Was Shot Over Fed and IRS!Tue Feb 24, 2009 16:3065.118.54.212


Rich Sheridan

President Ronald Reagan Was Shot Over Fed and IRS!

Tue Feb 24, 2009 16:3065.118.54.212

FLASHBACK 1984: Grace Commission Report Under Ronald Reagan Showed IRS is a Fraud.

“100% of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal Debt … all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services taxpayers expect from government.”
-Grace Commission report submitted to President Ronald Reagan - January 15, 1984

Ronald Reagan was promptly shot after he dared to criticize the Fed, on the same day that the Pope was shot. After recovering, he changed his mind and praised the Fed. About seven US Presidents have been assassinated for not cooperating with the Transatlantic Banking Dynasties (William Henry Harrison, poisoned, in 1841, Zachary Taylor, Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley and John F. Kennedy 1963; 7 if FDR’s poisoning is counted).

Most of us feel sick when we realize that Not one dime of IRS money goes to the US Gov’t, according to Reagan’s Grace Commission: it all goes to pay interest on a bogus debt to the Private Federal Reserve (FED), just to allow paper money to circulate as “Federal Reserve Notes”. The Federal Reserve is a private Corporation eventually owned by the Rockefellers and Rothschilds Dynasties through intermediary agents, designed to suck the capital dry from the U.S., as the Rothschilds do in Europe. Read Billions for the Bankers, Debts for the People More Links at on Jekyll Island .

The final report of the 1984 Grace Commission, convened under President Ronald Reagan, quietly admitted that none of the funds they collect from federal income taxes goes to pay for any federal government services. The Grace Commission found that those funds were being used to pay for interest on the federal debt, and income transfer payments to beneficiaries of entitlement programs like federal pension plans.

These comments were presented at the Close of the Citizens’ Truth-In-Taxation Hearing, Washington D.C., February 27-28, 2002: IRS is a Trust Headquartered in Puerto Rico Not a Federal Agency The IRS is technically not an “agency” of the federal government, as that term is defined in the Freedom of Information Act and in the Administrative Procedures Act. The governments of the federal territories are expressly excluded from the definition of “agency” in those Acts of Congress. See 5 U.S.C. 551 (1)(C). All evidence indicates that they are a money laundry, extortion racket, and conspiracy to engage in a pattern of racketeering activity, in violation of 18 U.S.C. 1951 and 1961 et seq. They appear to be laundering huge sums of money into foreign banks, mostly in Europe, and quite possibly into the Vatican. See the national policy on money laundering at 31 U.S.C. 5341 . Do federal income tax revenues pay for any government services and, if so, which
government services are funded by federal income taxes? Answer: No. The money trail is very difficult to follow, in this instance, because the IRS is technically a trust with a domicile in Puerto Rico. See 31 U.S.C. 1321(a)(62). As such, their records are protected by laws which guarantee the privacy of trust records within that territorial jurisdiction, provided that the trust is not also violating the Sherman Antitrust Act.

“Like it or not, you are a slave. You admit you are a slave every April 15th! That’s when you sign forms that “voluntarily” lay bare to the government the most private details of your life! And few people realize the income tax is a slave tax. It can never be compatible with the life of a free people”.
ALAN KEYES - Republican Nominee for President, unfortunately, the only Republican willing to speak out along with Ron Paul.

The “President’s Private Sector Survey on Cost Control”, commonly referred to as the 1984 Reagan “Grace Commission Report” reveals that 100% of the “income tax” collected is applied against the interest of the national debt. The government operates on a deficit that is created from nothing by the Privately Owned Fed (owned by the same folks who own the major commercial banks) at interest, i.e. what could be created debt free and usury free by the Treasury has been usurped by the Banking Dynasties who have been ruling the World since ancient times. Taxes are a way of controlling, or manipulating the economy. They also give people a faith in the funny money — makes it Near and dear to them. Balanced budgets and budget surpluses are a smoke and mirror trick. They sound really good, play well for the people, but are nothing more than panderings. I’m not going into it, period, but if any should care to make the study, you will be at first
incredulous, then angered by the depths of deception under which the people of this country labor.

Even the inventor of the electric light, Thomas Edison, joined the fray in criticizing the system of the Federal Reserve: “If our nation can issue a dollar bond, it can issue a dollar bill. The element that makes the bond good, makes the bill good, also… It is absurd to say that our country can issue $30 million in bonds and not $30 million in currency. Both are promises to pay, but one promise fattens the usurers and the other helps the people.”

In President Lincoln’s words (he was assassinated by the Banksters’ agent) “”The Government should create, issue, and circulate all the currency and credits needed to satisfy the spending power of the Government and the buying power of consumers. By the adoption of these principles, the taxpayers will be saved immense sums of interest.”

“In a recent conversation with an official at the Internal Revenue Service, I was amazed when he told me that ‘If the taxpayers of this country ever discover that the IRS operates on 90% bluff the entire system will collapse’”. -Henry Bellmon, Senator (1969)

“Our federal tax system is, in short, utterly impossible, utterly unjust and completely counterproductive [it] reeks with injustice and is fundamentally un-American… it has earned a rebellion and it’s time we rebelled”. -President Ronald Reagan, May 1983, Williamsburg, VA

“Our Income Tax system is a disgrace to the human race.” -Jimmy Carter, said in 1976 by the then President-to-be

“Eight decades of amendments… to [the] code have produced a virtually impenetrable maze… The rules are unintelligible to most citizens… The rules are equally mysterious to many government employees who are charged with administering and enforcing the law”.
-Shirley Peterson, Former IRS Commissioner, April 14, 1993 at Southern Methodist University

“The wages of the average American worker, after inflation and taxes, have decreased 17% since 1973, the only Western industrial nation to so suffer”. -Martin Gross, author of “The Tax Racket: Government Extortion From A to Z”

Sunday, February 08, 2009

Bible Verses on Sola Scriptura

This is one of the most intectual and proof having portions that I've devised on Sola Scriptura. Why? IT's because the one area many Bible Believers have trouble with exposing Catholics or explaining to Catholics in leading them to Christ is about Sola Scriptura. The Catholic mentality is that the Bible isn't enough and tradition is needed to supplant the scripture also that only tradition existed in Christ's day not Nt scripture so tradition must be followed. This concerns are answered in this article. It's shows historical, biblical, and religious evidence to back Sola Scriptura.


Sola Scriptura:

1). 2 Timothy 3:15-16 All Scripture is inspired. Also see Psalm 89:34 .Not even God would alter his word. 2 Peter 1:20-21 says his written word is inspired and not given by private inspiration. The prophecy came by holy men of God moved by the Holy Spirit.

2). Psalms 138:2 Gods word are placed above his name. Is tradition mentioned or implied in Bible with such distinction and honor? No.

3). John 10:35 Scripture cannot be broken. (Tradition isnt mentioned or included in that profound statement. If tradition and scripture were equal, would scripture and tradition cannot be broken? Scripture is only there to show the uniqueness of Gods word superior to tradition.

4). Psalm 119:142 Thy law is Truth (Emphasis to solely given to Gods word not tradition.)

5). Mt. 22:29 Not knowing Gods word or commandments and basing solely on tradition can lead to error. If both are equal, can tradition alone just like scripture alone by itself is error-free? Tradition creates error by being utilized alone.

6). 1 Cor. 4:6 Think not above with which is written. (Tradition that contradicts Gods word should be rejected.) See also John 14:23-24 saying to Keep Gods words and sayings.

7). 2 Peter 1:20-21 Private interpretation of Scripture is forbidden, yet that occurs with the magisterium, Vatican II, etc with their decrees. The origin of Gods word is God Himself not man, but using man to record it as by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

. Psalm 19:7 The law of God is perfect. (The total reverence is shown to Gods word excluding tradition by any name whatsoever.

9). 2 Timothy 3:14-17 Scripture makes people wise unto salvation and the scriptures are God-breathed. The word of God completes man and man doesnt complete the word of God. If it makes the man of God perfect (complete) then tradition isnt necessary to have some supplement to the Bible. Tradition never has the inspiring power like that or is equal to the Bible as Catholicism teaches. Tradition alone can never man the man of God perfect, only scripture.

10). Psalm 119:97 Mediation of Gods word reaps great benefits. See also Acts 17:10-13 showing the Bereans use a method of comparing scriptures to the apostles saying to test their doctrine.

11). Luke 24:25-27 The scriptures and the prophets were expounded to prove Christ is the one, I AM, God, the Messiah, etc.

12). Acts 17:1-5 Reasoned with them out of the scriptures. (You cant reason conclusively using tradition since it varies in many religious documents, etc. Scripture is superior to tradition since you can conclusively reason to incorporate validate doctrines, etc.) Scripture is also complete with 66 books at your sites to compare easily.

Tradition on the other hand has many inaccessible parts and its difficult to deduce sometimes its origin, range, and concepts.

Today, Catholics and Catholic apologists when confronting opposition constantly obsess with Sola Scriptura and say there is not one verse that shows Sola Scriptura. The fact is that Sola Scriptura means that the Bible is the supreme source of information for religious usage, the final court of appeal for doctrine, and sufficient guide for any religious walk. Those 3 signs can be easily derived from Gods word.

13). Isaiah 18:19-20 Check witches sayings against the Word of God not tradition. If someones sayings conflict with Gods word, there is no light in them. The Word of God can only verify authentic tradition or teaching and that makes tradition secondary and subordinate to Gods word.

14). Mt. 15:3 Tradition that tries to override Gods commandments was rebuked by Christ. See also John 20:30-31 saying the written word is sufficient for salvation.

15). Hebrews 4:12 The power of the Word of God is displayed (Its even greater than inconsistent, changing tradition. Tradition is a wide and not narrow concept covering tons of documents that arent even necessarily based on the scriptures. The scriptures are narrow and consistent with non-varying information.

Even the early church believed in Sola Scriptura. Polycarp wrote in his Epistle to the Philippians in Chapter 8 that who perverts the oracles of God is the firstborn of Satan.

Later Basil calls the Scriptures God-inspired and the method to figure which doctrines are in line with Christianity. Gregory of Nyssa called the Scripture the rule and measure of every tenet and Athansius classifies Gods word as sufficient above all things.

Crysostom called Gods word an exact standard and rule of all things. Thats solid proof of the early Church designating the Scriptures as having high importance and value. Even Augustine in his City of God Book called the Sciptures having paramount or supreme authority.

No early church leader designated scripture as equal or inferior to tradition until centuries later by Catholicism and other cults. Waldensians, Wycliffe, the Reformers of especially Martin Luther and John Knox believed in the superiority of God-inspired scriptures indeed. Its been here for more than 3,000 + years and its the most popular and greatest prose of literature of all time.

16). Luke 10:26, Luke 16:29, John 5:39, Romans 4:3 Scriptures are sufficient (Tradition can never compare with the scriptures).

17). Romans 2:16 We are judged by Christ according to the gospel. (Man is judged by the written word of God=scriptures not tradition.)

1 . Psalm 119:106 Great importance of Gods word is shown. (Tradition is never proclaimed like that.

19). Psalm 1:1-2/ John 5:39 The scriptures testify of Christ and lead people to eternal life. Can tradition provide that equally? No.

20). 2 Peter 1:16-21 Scripture is inspired and tradition isnt. God condemns certain traditions, but not one scripture shows scripture being condemned by God and that makes the scriptures superior.

21). Galatians 3:22 Scripture has shown that all are sinners (even Mary) and we have the promise of faith by Jesus Christ to those that believe. Tradition is mainly void on that.

22). Romans 10:11 The scripture proclaims the way to salvation not necessarily tradition.

23). John 17:17 Thy word is truth (Tradition isnt included nor implied to be pure truth. It doesnt say Thy Tradition is Truth, but Thy Word is Truth. Theres a big difference.)

24). Psalm 12:6-7 Gods promise to preserve his word forever and is maintained to this day forever. See also 2 Thes. 2:13 speaking of the Bible as the word of God not of men (traditions). Tradition varies from time to time and is never in essence equal to scripture indeed.

25). Joshua 1:1 God always promoted the great importance of keeping his written word. (Preserving tradition is never mentioned in Gods word and Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for attempting to make their false tradition equal to the Torah and the OT.

26). 1 Cor. 15:3-4 Paul confirms the gospel truth by the Scriptures. (Tradition can never be entirely affirmed or give a consistent, entirely accurate truth over the centuries except Gods word.)

27). Rec. 22:18-19 Adding or subtracting from Gods word is wrong and sinful that will cause many errors. The Bible is therefore sufficient and complete. See also Prov. 30:6, Deut. 12:32, and Ecc. 3:14.

2 . 1 Peter 1:24 The word of the Lord shall endure forever. Tradition can never endure forever in an unchanging existence like the Bible can.

29). The Bible declares itself as having:

A). Acts 1:1-2 All necessary things Jesus did

B). Luke 1:3-4 Certainty of His and teaching

C). John 20:30-31 Life in the name of Jesus

D). 2 Tim. 3:15 Instruction to salvation

E). 1 Cor.14:37 Commands of the Lord

F). 2 Tim. 3:16-17 Every good work

G) 1 John 2:1 Protection against sinful living

H). 1 John 5:13 An assurance of eternal life. See also John 5:39.

I). Acts 17:11 Standard by which teachings and doctrines are tested.

J). 1 Cor. 4:6 Standard which we cannot go beyond
K). Rev. 1:3 Blessing from God

L). 1 John 1:3-4 Joy that is complete. See also Jer. 15:16

M). Rev. 20:12 Standard by which you are judged by.

Written documents like the Bible are more reliable than oral tradition anyway. Scripture is obviously vastly superior to all tradition.

To assume that tradition is equal to the Bible, you must deny the all-sufficient Word of God. By sufficient and complete I mean that the scriptures are composed of 66 books of the OT and NT combined. Its all there to use. In contrast, tradition is made up of uninspired documents (1,000s of them) that vary and cant be entirely looked up for comparison or find all of it (Some tradition are inaccessible in many of its portions).

Tradition has changed so rapidly over time. Nobody whether its clergy or otherwise cant receive all tradition entirely as a result.

Therefore, no verse in Gods word presents the equality of the Bible and tradition.

Some tradition can be useful, but all of it must be subjected and secondary to Gods word. If any tradition contradicts Gods word, that false tradition is rejected and discarded. Using the process of elimination mainly makes the case for Sola Scriptura. The burden of proof rests upon tradition not scripture making tradition inferior.

Another point is that in 1559 the Roman Catholic Church issued the Index Liborum Probihitorum or the Index of Forbidden Books. It restricted all books of the Protestant Reformers, Protestant Bibles, works of Erasmus, etc. Pope Paul VI only revoked this in 1959.

Thats 400 yrs. of illegal restriction of literature by Catholicism yet again. Before that in 1229, there was the Council of Toulouse, which restricted the Bible to laymen of the OT and NT.

In the Council of Trent, it was the same thing, but access was only granted by a license given only in rare cases. Even the clergy had to receive a license from bishops to read the Bible. It was the Protestants and Bible believers who created and spread Gods word worldwide not Catholics. Now, Catholic sheep have 100 % full access to the scriptures though.

30). Hebrews 4:12 The Bible is sharper than any two-edged sword and holds its own weight. The extent of the rule and standard of faith are those 66 books, yet Catholics are even disagreeing on their rule of faith having dispute on whether how many of the thousands of decrees or papal documents are infallible. The conflict makes tradition inferior to the Bible and by other reasons as well.

31). 2 Thes. 2:15 Paul talked about to hold fast to traditions youve been taught whether by word (in Acts 26:22 Paul stated he spoke nothing other than the OT scripture) and our epistle (which is the NT scripture). Every minute tradition of all church history will have to be 100% accurate and true to be equal to scripture, but thats an impossibility.

32). 1 John 2:7 The Holy Spirit interprets His own Word by comparing scriptures helping believers to understand. See also Rom. 8:9 and Job 32:8.

The Holy Spirit is the only interpreter of scripture not the magisterium, not through a church, or through any other influences. Catholics are to follow authority figures in order to check out Scripture. This is the opposite of the Bible, which tells us that we should use Scripture to check out the teachings of authority figures. (From the magisterium, etc.)

35). Rev. 1:11 Jesus commanded John to write information in the scriptures to instruct the church, etc. Written scripture has a great deal of importance indeed and superior to all tradition. Besides tradition cannot claim to us everything that He said and did anyway.

36). 1 Cor. 14:3 Acknowledge what Paul writes. All Scripture is accurate and true in the OT and NT, but all tradition isnt accurate and true. Therefore, scripture cant be equal to tradition.

The burden of proof is on tradition and tradition must always be in accord with the scriptures and be bounded by it being secondary. There is no burden of proof on the scriptures neither can scripture be bounded by tradition thus making tradition inferior.

37). 1 Cor. 1:2, 1 Thes. 5:27, Col. 4:16, Rev. 1:3, Acts 17:11, Acts 28:31, Romans 1:1-2, Romans 16:25-26 These following verses prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the early church was a Bible-reading church. Since it was a reading and teaching church, many of the scriptures were already written before 100 A.D. for religious or spiritual usage.

3 . Jer. 15:16 Finding the word of God can cause spiritual nourishment.

39). Acts 26:22-23 No other teaching is mention in the Bible but the sufficient Gospel. All basic gospel info is mentioned in the Bible, so why is tradition necessary to be added unto it? It isnt logical. Tradition has the burden of proof not the scriptures making scripture better among tons of other reasons.

40). 1 Cor. 1-11 The whole sufficient gospel is mentioned in a summary, so why is addition of tradition needed? Why is needed when the Bible gives sufficient information on the history of the early church, requirement for salvation, baptism, communion, worship, pastors, Jesus, etc. It isnt necessary for additions if the facts are already presented in Gods word for a great religious experience. Heres a timeline of OT development:

-1400 B.C. Moses by God directly creates the Torah
-1400 B.C.-200 B.C. Various books written down of the O.T. proven by historical archaeology, etc.
-285-200 B.C. Septuagint created from Jews in Egypt (mainly a myth)
-100s BC.-70 AD. Nash Papyrus
-100s B.C. Samartian Pentateuch made
-75-115 AD. The Council of Jamnia confirms the OT. as canonically true.
-100s AD. Meilto, a Christian writer lists 22 books of the OT. Meito of Sardis dies by 180 AD. The Apocrypha isnt included at all in the list. Josephus, Athanansius, Jerome, Philo, and other people didnt include the Apocrypha or called it canonical scripture.
-130 AD. Aquilas version created
-150-200 AD. Theodotions version made.
-170 AD. Symmachus version written
-150-200 AD. Onkelos version of the Torah done from Hebrew to Aramaic
-150 AD. An unknown text known by Jacob of Edessa, Ot made by Jews given to Abgar, king of Edessa.
-322 AD. Jonathan ben Uzziels version of the Prophets. (done from Hebrew to Aramaic)
-400 AD. The Geniza Fragments with over 200,000 Hebrew texts are created.
-1000 AD. Jewish peole created the Mazzoretic text (perfect 100 % accurate. None to little criticism or debate over its accuracy.

41). Deut. 6:6-9 The word of God was to be written and taught to children. Tradition is not commanded by Almighty God to be written.

42). Isaiah 34:16 The prophet exhorts people to Seek and read Gods word. Every single oral tradition is not preserved, yet the written scriptures are preserved for 3,000 + yrs. For the OT and 2000 yrs. involving the NT scriptures so tradition is inferior.

43). Luke 24:44 Jesus Christ mentioned his usage of the word of God in the OT (The NT wasnt around then) saying The law of Moses, the prophets, and the Psalms. Not one OT-era tradition is mentioned like the Apocryphal books. It is obvious who is superior and what is subjected and secondary. Tradition is simply inferior.

44). Mt. 22:23-9 Jesus, when debating, point them (Pharisees and other unbelievers) to the word of God not tradition. The Sadducees in that situation were ignorant of Gods word and that lead them to error. You shouldnt compete tradition against scripture. The word of God is an easy winner against any form of tradition. Heres the NT timeline for the development of the NT scriptures before 400 AD:

- Before 66 A.D Barcelona Papyrus (P67) contains Matthew 3:9, 15; Matthew 5:20-22, 25-28.
-ca. 66 A.D. The Paris Papyrus (P4) of Luke dated not more than Johannine Codex (P66) we have almost a complete portion of Johns gospel dating to about 125 A.D.
-45-75 AD. The majority of the NT was created.
-Papyrus P66 contains a large portion of the Gospel of John dates back to around 200 A.D.
-Papyrus P75 contained sections of John and Luke from the early 3rd century
-65 AD. Madgen Papyrus discovered very recently showing some of the Gospels. One of the earliest NT copies ever discovered yrs. ago.
-80-95 AD. The writings of John (1st-3rd) and Revelations are written down.
-100 AD. All of the NT books are finally written down and began to spread through the world.
100-125 AD. Numerous copies of the NT are discovered in portions.
-125 AD. Early copy of the NT are found and the Muratori Canon written by Maricon, a heretic though.
-147 AD. Syrian Peshitta written
-157 AD. The Old Latin Vulgate (Old Itala) was created.
-177 AD. The Gallic or Celtic version formulated in France.
-185-220 AD. Origen, born in Alexandria mentions all of the Books of the OT and NT. He makes over 18,000 citations.
-250 AD. Sadhidic version was created from upper Egypt.
-266 AD. Synod of Antioch rejected Paul of Samosata heresy referring to the ecclesiastical canon.
-250-300 AD. Akhmimic version (based on the Sahidic)
-300 ADs AD. Bohairic version created from Lower Egypt
-300s AD. Ethoipic version written down (related to Traditional text)
-325 AD. Codex Claromatanus
-326 AD. Athanasius, bishop of Alexandria mentions all of the NT and OT books.
-330 AD. The Gothic version created by Bishop Ulfilas for the Goths and 8 copies are extant.
-330-340 AD. Codex A (Sinaiticus) and Codex B (Viticanius) created to make Eusibus 50 copies.
-363 AD. Synod of Laodicea says only canonized books of the OT and NT are to be read in the Churches.
-385 AD Cheltenham Canon
-397 AD. The Council of Carthage lead by Jerome to create his Latin Vulgate (Catholic-based Bible)

Summary of early church scriptural access before 300 AD from

For example: Ignatius who lived somewhere around 70-110 A.D. quotes from 15 of the 27 books of the New Testament. This is significant because of the fact of how early it is. Papias the Bishop of Hierapolis was a personal student of the apostle John he lived in the period of 130 A.D. He wrote An Explanation of the Lord's Discourses," in which he quotes from John, and records traditions about the origin of Matthew and Mark.

Papais noted that the apostle Mark in writing his Gospel "wrote down accurately ... whatsoever he [Peter] remembered of the things said or done by Christ. Mark committed no error ... for he was careful of one thing, not to omit any of the things he [Peter] had heard, and not to state any of them falsely. Fragments of Papias' Exposition of the Oracles of the Lord, ca. 140 A.D. (III, XIX, XX) attests that the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, and John are all based on reliable eyewitness testimony (his portion on Luke is missing).

Polycarp, in his Letter to the Philippians (69-155 A.D.), quotes much of the NT Matt., Acts, Hebrews Philippians, and reproduces phrases from nine other of Paul's letters and I Peter. Irenaeus a disciple of Polycarp 135-210 A.D. says there are only 4 Gospels.

He quotes Paul and over 200 quotes from all the New Testament books except Philemon, Jude, James and 3 John, he has 1,819 quotes. Ignatius, in his Seven Letters, written about 110 A.D., during his journey from Antioch to Rome for his martyrdom, quotes from Matthew, I Peter, I John, cites nine of Paul's Epistles, and his letters bear the impress of the other three Gospels. Clement of Alexandria, who lived about AD 150 A.D. 212, has 2,406 quotes from all but three books of the New Testament.

Tertullian, who was an elder of the church in Carthage Africa lived around 160-220 A.D., quotes the New Testament 7,258 times. Of these quotes, around 3,800 are from the gospels. Other quotes from Church fathers include Justin Martyr, a native of Samaria in the second century, used in the Septuagint in all his writings, has 330 quotes.

Justin Martyr (100-160 A.D.) quotes all 4 Gospels, Acts and the epistles of Paul and Revelation. Portions of the gospels were read every Sunday in church. Tatian, about A.D. 160, made a "Harmony of the Four Gospels called the "Diatessaron," affirming that only Four Gospels, were recognized among the churches.

Clement, of Alexandria (165-220 AD) names all the books of the New Testament except Philemon, James, 2 Peter and 3 John. Origen 185-254 names all the books of both the Old and New Testaments 17,922 quotes.

By 200 AD. Athanasius (who preserved the Trinity among the Church) had all 27 books of the New Testament. He said they were the springs of salvation do not add nor take away. Origen an African church father 185-254 A.D. names all the books of both the Old and New Testaments. In The Hexapla he harmonized the gospels in six columns in Hebrew and Greek.
Hippolytus, (A.D. 170-235) recognized twenty-two books. He had 1,378 quotes of Scripture.

From 100-300 A.D. we have total of 36,289 patristic quotes of the Greek New Testament. This is not to be considered an endorsement of everything these men wrote, but only to show the immediate understanding of their time and the proof of the Greek New Testament.

The Didache, written in Greek between 60 AD at the earliest to100 A.D, makes 22 quotations from Matthew with references to Luke, John, Acts, Romans, Thessalonians, I Peter; and speaks of The Gospel as a already written document. This was used as church manual and is significant because of its early age and quoting other books of the Bible.

The earliest complete list of Scripture from Eusebius a church historian (who died 340 A.D.) He had 5,176 quotes of Scripture. He distinguished books universally received and accepted by the majority of the church. There were six books held back their acceptance. They could not be traced directly to an apostolic source.

This action shows that the church wanted to ensure that the books bore direct and authentic testimony to be accepted. The concern was not of excluding canonical books, but of not including non-canonical books. The book of 2 Peter and especially Revelation had widespread hesitation as its message in symbolism was veiled, these were the last two accepted. (end of website source)

Heres the surviving NT manuscripts today:

Type Number
Latin Vulgate 10,000+
Ethiopic 2,000+
Slavic 4,181
Syria Peshitta 350+
Armenian 2,586
Total with Boharic, Arabic, Old Latin, and other texts. 19,200+

45). Mat. 4 Jesus rebuked Satan using only scripture by saying It is written Jesus didnt use a combination of scripture or tradition to do it, but only scripture. You can easily validate concepts or rebuke people by using scripture alone.

46). 2 Tim. 2:15 You can study to show yourself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. The scriptures are sufficient to do that.

47). Luke 4:4 Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. (not tradition). Is tradition perceived in this verse as the means you must go or live by? No, only the word of God is the rule of faith that which all Christians should live by.

Here are some questions that Catholic apologists or all Catholics cant answer conclusively:

A). 2 Timothy 3:15-16 says that all scripture is inspired. Does the Bible say that tradition is inspired or completes man?

B). John 10:35 says that scripture cannot be broken. Does the Bible or Jesus Christ say that tradition cant be broken?

C). Psalm 19:7 says that the Law of God is perfect. Does the Bible or God say that tradition is perfect?

D). Isaiah 8:19-20 says that if you go against the Word of God, you have no light. Does the Bible or God say if you are against tradition, there is no light in you?

E). John 5:39 says that if you search the scriptures you can find salvation. Does the Bible or God say if you find tradition then you will have eternal life?

F). Psalm 138:2 speaks of Gods word being placed above Gods name. Does the Bible or God say that tradition is above Gods name?

G). John 17:17 says, THY WORD IS TRUTH. Does the Bible or God (Jesus Christ) say that tradition is also truth?

H). Luke 4:4 says that Man must live by every word of God. Does the Bible or God say you must live by tradition alone?

I). Psalm 12:6-7 says that God made a promise to preserve his words forever. Did the Bible or God say he will preserve tradition forever?

J). Matthew 15:1-9 says that Christ condemns (some but not all) tradition used by the Pharisees which contradict the Bible. Did God or the Bible condemn any scripture or any portion of the scriptures?

K). Luke 24:25-27 says that the scriptures were expounded to confirm that Christ is the Messiah, The One, I AM, GOD, etc. Does God or the Bible say that tradition can accomplish all of this by itself?

L). If the scriptures are in need of supplament by tradition, then what is the exact extend of the tradition needed? Is this tradition 100% accurate and what historical evidence can you back up to claim this tradition is pure, inerrant, unchanging, etc?

The answer to all of those questions is a resounding NO.

*To make the claim of equality of both scripture and tradition or the use of tradition to supplant scripture, you must prove that each can show the same qualities of being expounded of Christ, being the TRUTH, perfect, above his name, etc. all by itself without either help. That cant be down conclusively since the scriptures are obviously superior to all forms of tradition.

The Scriptures characteristics include being:

-Preserved for over 3,000 yrs. And being written as early as 1,300 B.C. for the OT and 45 AD. For the Nt.
-Has 66 books easily accessible to use and you can find all scripture for usage and comparison.
-Has sufficient info for a great Christian walk life and includes concepts and facts:

(Method of salvation, Christs birth, life, death, resurrection, and ascension into heaven, baptism and church worship, clergy structure plus church roles outlined for men and women, Trinity or Godhead, equality of all believers and all human beings, early church history, heaven and hell, end times, prophecy, great amounts of world history, commands of God, Blessings from God, joy, protection against sinful living, The apostles, Mary, and other figures, Gods promises, covenants, and commandments, a Great Christian lifestyle and walk, some science and the origin of the universe and mankind [God is that origin], and teaches morality and ethics that are useful.)

The list goes on and on. If scripture has that, then there is nothing I need from tradition since the Bible tells all the ingredients of living righteously, etc. Where is the need for addition to scripture when the scriptures already tell me the concepts needed to live a godly life, etc. Written scriptures have a higher chance to be preserved than oral tradition or written tradition.

Also, the scriptures cannot contradict other scripture. There are versions of the scriptures maintained in ancient times like the Peshitta, Old Latin, Ethiopic, Gothic, etc. plus the scriptures are never condemned by God whether in the Bible or otherwise. Its always accurate, complete, and inerrant.

The scriptures of the OT are quoted in the NT, as one example is Jesus Christ quoting them. Also, the sayings of Jesus are quoted in other parts of the NT not only the Gospels. The Scriptures are preserved today with over 20,000 + copies for comparison. Church patriarchs, history, studies, and other proofs making it dissimilar to tradition conclusively prove its accuracy. Wow. The Bible is obviously very unique and both Catholics and Protestants agree on that, but the issue of tradition is what we disagree on. Catholics believe they are equal, yet Protestants think they are inferior and secondary to the Bible.

Now on to Tradition. Tradition possesses characteristics of being:

They were primarily preserved first orally and later written down in church documents. They vary easily since now there are thousands of traditions from different people, places, etc. with little or no set standards to preserve it making it not consistent.

There is little stability or criteria to classify tradition other than any document or work that discusses religiously the history of the church or has some involvement with Christianity. Even some Catholic scholars today are disputing which Papal decrees are infallible and which arent.

Much of tradition is varied even amongst the patriarchs (i.e. Justin Martyr pretty much believes in transubstantiation, but Tertullian, Augustine, and Ireaneus, plus Cyprian denied it. Origen calls Peter and every disciple a rock, yet Augustine, Jerome, Eusibus, and others called Christ the Rock of the Church.)

Some traditions are accessible, but others are inaccessible for usage.

To follow all tradition, you must find all of tradition, but the truth is you cant find all of tradition at all. You can find all of the scriptures though. Oral tradition is part of tradition also and oral tradition has the greatest chance to be distorted over time.

To assume all oral tradition even from the 1st and 2nd century is 100 % accurate and reliable today is absurd. Jesus (GOD) in the Bible condemned some of tradition. All tradition isnt false, but all carry a burden of proof being subjected and secondary to the Bible. The Bible or portions of it was never condemned by Christ or carry a burden of proof. To claim the equality of both scripture and tradition, you must prove among other things that both arent condemned; yet some of tradition is condemned.

Tradition is also too broad to make the claim of equality to Gods word. Tradition includes patriachs sayings, church uninspired writings, Papal decrees, etc. Some of that doesnt present a uniform, consistent message as the Bible can.

(i.e. early Popes and I know some denied Immaculate Conception and the Assumption of Mary, yet later ones accepted those beliefs, etc.)

By the time Roman Catholicisms unbiblical addition traditions (the papacy, Assumption of Mary, Immaculate Conception, etc) raised up in the historical record; the Bible was already finished and spread across the globe in certain places like Europe, Africa, Asia, etc. Yes, this is Gods truth.

Bye for now

By TruthSeeker
July 2, 2003
8:24 am. EST

Sola Scriptura

Sola Scriptura

Gods Word [The Bible]

Yea, and all that live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. But evil men shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them.

And that from a child, thou have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. That the man of God may be perfect furnished unto all good works. (2 Timothy 3:12-17)

And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves. I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. (John 17:11-17)

Polycarp [Sola Scriptura/ Scripture Access or Availability]

For whosoever does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh, is antichrist; and whosoever does not confess the testimony of the cross is of the devil; and whosoever perverts the oracles of the Lord to his own lusts, and says that there is neither a resurrection nor a judgment, he is the first-born of Satan. (The Epistle of Polycarp to the Philippians, Chapter

For I trust that ye are well versed in the Sacred Scriptures, and that nothing is hid from you; but to me this privileges is not yet granted. It is declared therein these Scriptures, Be ye angry, and sin not, and Let not the sun go down upon your wrath. Happy is he who remembers this, which I believe to be the case with you. (The Epistle of Polycarp to the Philippians, Chapter 12)

Hippolytus [Sola Scriptura]

There is, brethren, one God, the knowledge of whom we gain from the Holy Scriptures, and from no other source. For just as a man if he wishes to be skilled in the wisdom of this world, will find himself unable to get at in any other way than by mastering the dogmas of philosophers, so all of us who wish to practice piety will be unable to learn its practice from any other quarter than the oracles of God.

Whatever things then the Holy Scriptures declare, at these let us look, and whatsoever things they teach these let us learn. (Against the Heresy of One Noetus, 9)

Irenaeus [Sola Scriptura]

We must necessarily appeal to the testimony of the Scriptures without which our discourses are entitled to no credit. (Homily I on Jeremiah)

We have learned from none others the plan of salvation than from these through whom the gospel is come down to us, which they did at one time proclaim in public, and at a later period, by the will of God, handed down to us in the Scriptures, to be the ground and pillar of our faith. (Ante-Nicene Fathers, volume I, Irenaeus, Against Heresies 3.1.1, p. 414)

Tertullian [Sola Scriptura]

Let heretics be left to prove their points from Scripture alone, and they will not be able to stand. (De Carni Christi. C. 6)

Let the shop of Hermogenes show that it is written. If it not written, let him fear that more which destined for those who add or take from Scripture. (ADV. Hermog. C. 22).

Basil or Basil of Caesarea [Sola Scriptura]

Without doubt, it is a most manifest fall from faith and a most certain sign of pride to introduce anything that is not written in the Scriptures, our blessed Saviour having said My sheep hear my voice and the voice of strangers they will not hear and to distract from Scripture or to add anything to the faith that is not there, is most manifestly forbidden by the Apostle, saying, If it is but a mans testament, no man addeth there to. (De Faith Vol. 2)

If custom is to be taken in proof of what is right, then it is certainly competent for me to put forward on my side the custom which obtains here. If they reject this, we are clearly not bound to follow them. Therefore let God-inspired Scripture decide between us; and on whichever side be found doctrines in harmony with the word of God, in favor of that side will be cast the vote of truth. (Basil of Caesarea, Letter CLXXXIX; A Select Library of Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers of the Christian Church, Series (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1983), Page 229)

Those who are instructed in the Scriptures ought to test the things that are said by their teachers, and to receive what agrees with the Scriptures, and to reject what disagrees. (Cont. Litt. Petilani, III. 6, Volume IX) also (Moralia. Reg. 72)

Enjoying as you do the consolation of the Holy Scriptures, you stand in need of neither of my assistance nor of that of anybody else to help you comprehend your duty. You have the all-sufficient counsel and guidance of the Holy Spirit to lead you to what is right. (Philip Schaff and Henry Wace, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers (Peabody: Hendrinkson, 1995), Second Series: Volume VIII, Basil: Letters and Select Works, Letter CCLXXXIII, p. 312.)

Cyril of Jerusalem [Sola Scriptura]

In regard to the divine and holy mysteries of the faith, not the least part may be handed on without the Holy Scriptures. Do not be led astray by winning words and clever arguments. Even to me, who tell you these things, do not give ready belief, unless you receive from the Holy Scriptures the proof of the things which I announce. The salvation in which we believe is not proved from clever reasoning, but from the Holy Scriptures. (Catechetical Lectures, 4:17)

12. But in learning the Faith and in professing it, acquire and keep that only, which is now delivered51 to thee by the Church, and which has been built up strongly out of all the Scriptures. For since all cannot read the Scriptures, some being hindered as to the knowledge of them by want of learning, and others by a want of leisure, in order that the soul may not perish from ignorance, we comprise the whole doctrine of the Faith in a few lines.

This summary I wish you both to commit to memory when I recite it52 , and to rehearse it with all diligence among yourselves, not writing it out on paper53 , but engraving it by the memory upon your heart54 , taking care while you rehearse it that no Catechumen chance to overhear the things which have been delivered to you. I wish you also to keep this as a provision55 through the whole course of your life, and beside this to receive no other, neither if we ourselves should change and contradict our present teaching, nor if an adverse angel, transformed into an angel of light56 should wish to lead you astray.

For though we or an angel from heaven preach to you any other gospel than that ye have received, let him be to you anathema57 . So for the present listen while I simply say the Creed58 , and commit it to memory; but at the proper season expect the confirmation out of Holy Scripture of each part of the contents.

For the articles of the Faith were not composed as seemed good to men; but the most important points collected out of all the Scripture make up one complete teaching of the Faith. And just as the mustard seed in one small grain contains many branches, so also this Faith has embraced in few words all the knowledge of godliness in the Old and New Testaments. Take heed then, brethren, and hold fast the traditions59 which ye now receive, and write them an the table of your heart. (Catechetical Lectures, 5:12)

Gregory of Nyssa [Sola Scriptura]

The generality of men still fluctuate in their opinions about this, which are as erroneous as they are numerous. As for ourselves, if the Gentile philosophy, which deals methodically with all these points, were really adequate for demonstration, it would certainty be superfluous to add a discussion on the soul to those speculations. But while the latter proceeded, on the subject of the soul, as for in the direction of supposed consequences as the thinker pleased, we are not entitled to such license, I mean that of affirming what we please; we make the Holy Scriptures the rule and measure of every tenet; we necessarily fix our eyes upon that, and approve that alone which may be made to harmonize with the intention of those writings. (Gregory of Nyssa: Dogmatic Treatises On the Soul and the Resurrection, p. 439. Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, Second Series: Volume V.)

Jerome [Sola Scriptura]

As we accept those things that are written, so we reject those things that are not written (in Scripture) (Adv. Helvid.).

These things which they invent, as if by Apostolic tradition, without the authority of Scripture, the sword of God smites. (In Aggari. Proph. Cap. I. II).

Athanasius [Sola Scriptura]

Vainly then do they run about with the pretext that they have demanded Councils for the faiths sake; for divine Scripture is sufficient above all things; but if a Council be needed on the point, there are the proceedings of the Fathers, for the Nicene Bishops did not neglect this matter, but stated the doctrines so exactly, that persons reading their words honestly, cannot but be reminded by them of the religion towards Christ announced in divine Scripture. (De Synobis, 6)

Crysostom [Sola Scriptura]

All things are plain and simple in Holy Scriptures; all things necessary are evident. (Homily 3 de. Laz.)

That may not be considered Catholic, which appears contrary to the statements of Scripture. (Homily on Adam and Eve)

You have an exact standard and rule of all things. I beseech you, do not regard what this or that man thinks, but enquire all things of the Scriptures. (2 Corinthians 6 Homily 13)

Augustine [Sola Scriptura]

This Mediator (Jesus Christ), having spoken what He judged sufficient first by the prophets, then by His own lips, and afterwards by the Apostles, has besides produced the Scripture which is called canonical, which has paramount authority, and to which we yield assent in all matters of which we ought not be ignorant, and yet know of ourselves. (St. Augustine, City of God, Book XI, Chapter 3)

what more can I teach you, than what we read in the Apostles? For holy Scripture setteth a rule to our teaching, that we dare not be wise than it behoveth to be wise. (St. Augustine, City of God, Book XI, Chapter 3)

The mediator (Jesus Christ), first through the Prophets, then by his own lips, afterwards through the Apostles, revealed whatever he considered necessary. He also inspired the Scriptures, which is regarded as canonical and of supreme authority and to which we give credence concerning all those truths we ought to know and yet, of ourselves, are unable to learn. (City of God, copyright 1958 by Fathers of the Church, Inc., edited by Vernon J. Bourke, ISBN 0-385-02910-1, page 207).

For holy Scripture setteth a rule to our teaching, that we dare not be wise more than it behoveth to be wise.Be it not therefore for me to teach you any other thing, save to expound to you the words of the Teacher, and to treat the mass the Lord shall give me. (Augustine, De Bono Viduitatis (On the Good of Widowhood).

Martin Luther [Sola Scriptura]
"Daily I feel how difficult it is to divest oneself of scruples long entertained. Oh! The pain it has cost me, though with the Scriptures before me, to justify myself to myself, for daring singly to set myself up against the Pope, and hold him as Antichrist! What tribulations have I not suffered! How often have I not addressed to myself in bitterness of the spirit the arguments of the Papists: 'Art thou alone wise?

Are all others in error? Can they have been so many years deceived? What if thou deceivest thyself, and draggest along with thee in thy error so many souls to everlasting damnation?' Thus I used to argue within myself until Jesus Christ with His own, His infallible Word, fortified me, and strengthened my soul against such arguments, as a rock raised above the waves laughs their fury to scorn." (Letters, Vol. 2, p. 107.)

John Knox [Sola Scriptura]

Chapter 19
The Authority of the Scriptures
As we believe and confess the scriptures of God sufficient to instruct and make the man of God perfect, so do we affirm and avow the authority of the same to be of God, and neither to depend on men nor angels.[1]

We affirm, therefore, that such as allege the scripture to have no authority, but that which is received from the kirk, to be blasphemous against God, and injurious to the true kirk, which always hears and obeys the voice of her own Spouse and Pastor, but takes not upon her to be mistress over the same.[2]
1. 1 Tim. 3:16-17.
2. John 10:27. (The Scottish Confession of Faith, 1560)

Cyril Lucaris [Sola Scriptura]

Chapter2. We believe the Holy Scripture to be given by God, to have no other author but the Holy Spirit. This we ought undoubtedly to believe, for it is written. We have a more sure word of prophecy, to which you do well to take heed, as to light shining in a dark place. We believe in the authority of the Holy Scripture to be above the authority of the Chruch.

To be taught by the Holy Spirit is a far different things from being taught by man; for man may through ignorance err, deceive and be deceived, but the word of God neither deceives nor is deceived, nor can err, and is infallible and has eternal authority. (The Confession of Cyril Lucarius, Chapter II)

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Gods Word [The Bible]

30:15 See, I have set before thee this day
life and good, and
death and evil;
30:16 In that I command thee this day to love
the LORD thy God,
to walk in his ways, and to keep his
commandments and his
statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest
live and multiply:
and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou
goest to possess it.
30:17 But if thine heart turn away, so that
thou wilt not hear,
but shalt be drawn away, and worship other
gods, and serve
30:18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye
shall surely perish,
and that ye shall not prolong your days upon
the land,
whither thou passest over Jordan to go to
possess it.
30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this
day against you,
that I have set before you life and death, blessing
cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou
and thy seed may
live (Deuteronomy 30:15-19)

Ignatius [Free-Will]

2:7 It is good to set front the world unto God, that I may rise unto Him.
3:1 Ye never grudged any one;
3:2 ye were the instructors of others.
3:3 And my desire is that those lessons shall hold good which as teachers ye enjoin.
3:4 Only pray that I may have power within and without, so that I may not only say it but also desire it;
3:5 that I may not only be called a Christian, but also be found one.
3:6 For if I shall be found so, then can I also be called one, and be faithful then, when I ant no more visible to the world.
3:7 Nothing visible is good.
3:8 For our God Jesus Christ, being in the Father, is the more plainly visible.
3:9 The Work is not of persuasiveness, but Christianity is a thing of might, whensoever it is hated by the world.
4:1 I write to all the churches, and I bid all men know, that of my own free will I die for God, unless ye should hinder me.
4:2 I exhort you, be ye not an unseasonable kindness to me.
4:3 Let me be given to the wild beasts, for through them I can attain unto God.
4:4 I am God's wheat, and I am ground by the teeth of wild beasts that I may be found pure bread [of Christ](Ignatiuss Epistle to the Romans, Chapter 2:7-4:4)

Irenaeus of Gaul ca. 130-200 AD. [FreeWill]

Chapter XXXVII.-Men are Possessed of Free Will, and Endowed with the Faculty of Making a Choice. It is Not True, Therefore, that Some are by Nature Good, and Others Bad.
1. This expression [of our Lord], "How often would I have gathered thy children together, and thou wouldest not," set forth the ancient law of human liberty, because God made man a free [agent] from the beginning, possessing his own power, even as he does his own soul, to obey the behests (ad utendum sententia) of God voluntarily, and not by compulsion of God. For there is no coercion with God, but a good will [towards us] is present with Him continually. And therefore does He give good counsel to all. And in man, as well as in angels, He has placed the power of choice (for angels are rational beings), so that those who had yielded obedience might justly possess what is good, given indeed by God, but preserved by themselvesIf then it were not in our power to do or not to do these things, what reason had the apostle, and much more the Lord Himself, to give us counsel to do some things, and to abstain from others?

But because man is possessed of free will from the beginning, and God is possessed of free will, in whose likeness man was created, advice is always given to him to keep fast the good, which thing is done by means of obedience to God (Against Heresies, Book IV, Sec. XXXVII)

Theophilus of Antioch [FreeWill]

Chapter XXVII.-The Nature of Man.
But some one will say to us, Was man made by nature mortal? Certainly not. Was he, then, immortal? Neither do we affirm this. But one will say, Was he, then, nothing? Not even this hits the mark. He was by nature neither mortal nor immortal.

For if He had made him immortal from the beginning, He would have made him God. Again, if He had made him mortal, God would seem to be the cause of his death.

Neither, then, immortal nor yet mortal did He make him, but, as we have said above, capable of both; so that if he should incline to the things of immortality, keeping the commandment of God, he should receive as reward from Him immortality, and should become God; but if, on the other hand, he should turn to the things of death, disobeying God, he should himself be the cause of death to himself. For God made man free, and with power over himself.

That, then, which man brought upon himself through carelessness and disobedience, this God now vouchsafes to him as a gift through His own philanthropy and pity, when men obey Him.

For as man, disobeying, drew death upon himself; so, obeying the will of God, he who desires is able to procure for himself life everlasting.

For God has given us a law and holy commandments; and every one who keeps these can be saved, and, obtaining the resurrection, can inherit incorruption. (Letter to Autolycus, Book II, Chapter XXVII)

Origen [FreeWill]

3. Now it ought to be known that the holy apostles, in preaching the faith of Christ, delivered themselves with the utmost clearness on certain points which they believed to be necessary to every one, even to those who seemed somewhat dull in the investigation of divine knowledge; leaving, however, the grounds of their statements to be examined into by those who should deserve the excellent gifts of the Spirit, and who, especially by means of the

Holy Spirit Himself, should obtain the gift of language, of wisdom, and of knowledge: while on other subjects they merely stated the fact that things were so, keeping silence as to the manner or origin of their existence; clearly in order that the more zealous of their successors, who should be lovers of wisdom, might have a subject of exercise on which to display the fruit of their talents,-those persons, I mean, who should prepare themselves to be fit and worthy receivers of wisdom.

5. After these points, also, the apostolic teaching is that the soul, having a substance10 and life of its own, shall, after its departure from the world, be rewarded according to its deserts, being destined to obtain either an inheritance of eternal life and blessedness, if its actions shall have procured this for it, or to be delivered up to eternal fire and punishments, if the guilt of its crimes shall have brought it down to this: and also, that there is to be a time of resurrection from the dead, when this body, which now "is sown in corruption, shall rise in incorruption,"

and that which "is sown in dishonour will rise in glory."11 This also is clearly defined in the teaching of the Church, that every rational soul is possessed of free-will and volition; that it has a straggle to maintain with the devil and his angels, and opposing influences,12 because they strive to burden it with sins; but if we live rightly and wisely, we should endeavour to shake ourselves free of a burden of that kind( Origen de Principiis., Preface)

BARDAISAN of Syria c.154-222

" 'How is it that God did not so make us that we should not sin and incur condemnation?'
-if man had been made so, he would not have belonged to himself but would have been the instrument of him that moved him . . . And how, in that case, would a man differ from a harp, on which another plays; or from a ship, which another guides: where the praise and the blame reside in the hand of the performer or the steersman . . . they being only instruments made for the use of him in whom is the skill? But God, in His benignity, chose not so to make man; but by freedom He exalted him above many of His creatures." (Fragments) from

Archelaus [FreeWill]

For all the creatures that God made, He made very good; and He gave to every individual the sense of free-will, in accordance with which standard He also instituted the law of judgment. To sin is ours, and that we sin not is God's gift, as our will is constituted to choose either to sin or not to sin. And this you doubtless understand well enough yourself, Manes; for you know that, although you were to bring together all your disciples and admonish them not to commit any transgression or do any unrighteousness, every one of them might still pass by the law of judgment.

And certainly whosoever will, may keep the commandments; and whosoever shall despise them, and turn aside to what is contrary to them, shall yet without doubt have to face this law of judgment. Hence also certain of the angels, refusing to submit themselves to the commandment of God, resisted His will; and one of them indeed fell like a flash of lightning upon the earth, while others, harassed by the dragon, sought their felicity in intercourse with the daughters of men, and thus brought on themselves the merited award of the punishment of eternal fire.

And that angel who was cast down to earth, finding no further admittance into any of the regions of heaven, now flaunts about among men, deceiving them, and luring them to become transgressors like himself, and even to this day he is an adversary to the commandments of God.

The example of his fall and ruin, however, will not be followed by all, inasmuch as to each is given liberty of will33. The judges said: He has given demonstration enough of the origin of the devil. And as both sides admit that there will be a judgment, it is necessarily involved in that admission that every individual is shown to have free-will; and since this is brought clearly out, there can be no doubt that every individual, in the exercise of his own proper power of will, may shape his course in whatever direction he pleases (Archelaus, The Acts of Disputation with Heresiarch Manes, portions of 32, 33)

Methodius [FreeWill]

Now those who decide that man is not possessed of free-will, and affirm that he is governed by the unavoidable necessities of fate, and her unwritten commands, are guilty of impiety towards God Himself, making Him out to be the cause and author of human evils.

For if He harmoniously orders the whole circular motion of the stars, with a wisdom which man can neither express nor comprehend, directing the course of the universe; and the stars produce the qualities of virtue and vice in human life, dragging men to these things by the chains of necessity; then they declare God to be the Cause and Giver of evils. But God is the cause of injury to no one; therefore fate is not the cause of all things.

Whoever has the least intelligence will confess that God is good, righteous, wise, true, helpful, not the cause of evils, free from passion, and everything of that kind. And if the righteous be better than the unrighteous, and unrighteousness be abominable to them, God, being righteous, rejoices in righteousness, and unrighteousness is hateful to Him, being opposed and hostile to righteousness. Therefore God is not the author of unrighteousness (Discourse VIII: Thelka, Chapter 16)

Now there is nothing existing of which one part is originated, and another part not. But if I were even to grant this, then there was a time when evil was not complete, namely, before matter was wrought by God. And it attains completeness when man is produced by God; for man is the maker of the parts of evil. And from this it follows that the cause of evil being complete, is God the Creator, which it is impious to say. But if you say that evil is neither of the things supposed, but is the doing of something evil, you declare that it has an origin. For the doing of a thing makes the beginning of its existence.

And besides this, you have nothing further to pronounce evil. For what other action have you to point out as such, except what happens among men? Now, it has been already shown that he who acts is not evil according to his being, but in accordance with his evil doing.

Because there is nothing evil by nature, but it is by use that evil things become such. So I say, says he, that man was made with a free-will, not as if there were already evil in existence, which he had the power of choosing if he wished, but on account of his capacity of obeying or disobeying God.

For this was the meaning of the gift of Free Will. And man after his creation receives a commandment from God; and from this at once rises evil, for he does not obey the divine command; and this alone is evil, namely, disobedience, which had a beginning.

I say therefore that God, purposing thus to honour man, and to grant him an understanding of better things, has given him the power of being able to do what he wishes, and commends the employment of his power for better things; not that He deprives him again of free-will, but wishes to deprives him again of free-will, but wishes to point out the better way. For the power is present with him, and he receives the commandment; but God exhorts him to turn his power of choice to better things.

For as a father exhorts his son, who has power to learn his lessons, to give more attention to them inasmuch as, while he points out this as the better course, he does not deprive his son of the power which he possessed, even if he be not inclined to learn willingly; so I do not think that God, while He urges on man to obey His commands, deprives him of the power of purposing and withholding obedience.

For He points out the cause of His giving this advice, in that He does not deprive him of the power. But He gives commands, in order that man may be able to enjoy better things. For this is the consequence of obeying the commands of God. So that He does not give commands in order to take away the power which He has given, but in order that a better gift may be bestowed, as to one worthy of attaining greater things, in return for his having rendered obedience to God, while he had power to withhold it.

I say that man was made with free-will, not as if there were already existing same evil, which he had the power of choosing if he wished, ... but that the power of obeying and disobeying God is the only cause.

For this was the object to be obtained by free-will. And man after his creation receives a commandment from God, and from this at once rises evil; for he does not obey the divine command, and this alone is evil, namely, disobedience, which had a beginning. For no one has it in his power to say that it is without an origin, when its author had an origin. But you will be sure to ask whence arose this disobedience.

It is clearly recorded in Holy Scripture, by which I am enabled to say that man was not made by God in this condition, but that he has come to it by some teaching. For man did not receive such a nature as this. For if it were the case that his nature was such, this would not have come upon him by teaching.

Now one says in Holy Writ, that "man has learnt (evil)."16 I say, then, that disobedience to God is taught. For this alone is evil which is produced in opposition to the purpose of God, for man would not learn evil by itself. He, then, who teaches evil is the Serpent.

For my part, I said that the beginning of evil was envy, and that it arose from man's being distinguished by God with higher honour. Now evil is disobedience to the commandment of God. (Methodius, Concerning FreeWill)

Justin Marytr [Free-Will]

God, wishing men and angels to follow His will, resolved to create them free to do righteousness; possessing reason, that they may know by whom they are created, and through whom they, not existing formerly, do now exist; and with a law that they should be judged by Him, if they do anything contrary to right reason: and of ourselves we, men and angels, shall be convicted of having acted sinfully, unless we repent beforehand.

But if the word of God foretells that some angels and men shall be certainly punished, it did so because it foreknew that they would be unchangeably [wicked], but not because God had created them so. So that if they repent, all who wish for it can obtain mercy from God: and the Scripture foretells that they shall be blessed, saying,

`Blessed is the man to whom the Lord imputeth not sin; ' that is, having repented of his sins, that he may receive remission of them from God; and not as you deceive yourselves, and some others who resemble you in this, who say, that even though they be sinners, but know God, the Lord will not impute sin to them (Dialogue of Justin, Chapter CXLI)

Novatian of Rome [Freewill]

And after these things He also placed man at the head of the world, arid man, too, made in the image of God, to whom He imparted mind, and reason, and foresight, that he might imitate God; and although the first elements of his body were earthly, yet the substance was inspired by a heavenly and divine breathing.

And when He had given him all things for his service, He willed that he alone should be free. And lest, again, an unbounded freedom should fall into peril, He laid down a command, in which man was taught that there was no evil in the fruit of the tree; but he was forewarned that evil would arise if perchance he should exercise his free will, in the contempt of the law that was given.

For, on the one hand, it had behoved him to be free, lest the image of God should, unfittingly be in bondage; and on the other, the law was to be added, so that an unbridled liberty might not break forth even to a contempt of the Giver.

So that he might receive as a consequence both worthy rewards and a deserved punishment, having in his own power that which he might choose to do, by the tendency of his mind in either direction: whence, therefore, by envy, mortality comes back upon him; seeing that, although he might escape it by obedience, he rushes into it by hurrying to be God under the influence of perverse counsel.

Still, nevertheless, God indulgently tempered his punishment by cursing, not so much himself, as his labours upon earth. And, moreover, what is required does not come without man's knowledge; but He shows forth man's hope of future discovery5 and salvation in Christ (On the Trinity, Chapter 1)

Cyril of Jerusalem [FreeWill]

Of the Soul.
18. Next to the knowledge of this venerable and glorious and all-holy Faith, learn further what thou thyself art: that as man thou art of a two-fold nature, consisting of soul and body; and that, as was said a short time ago, the same God is the Creator both of soul and body65 .

Know also that thou hast a soul self-governed, the noblest work of God, made after the image of its Creator66 : immortal because of God that gives it immortality; a living being, rational, imperishable, because of Him that bestowed these gifts: having free power to do what it willeth67 .

For it is not according to thy nativity that thou sinnest, nor is it by the power of chance that thou committest fornication, nor, as some idly talk, do the conjunctions of the stars compel thee to give thyself to wantonness68 .

Why dost thou shrink from confessing thine own evil deeds, and ascribe the blame to the innocent stars? Give no more heed, pray, to astrologers; for of these the divine Scripture saith, Let the stargazers of the heaven stand up and save thee, and what follows: Behold, they all shall be consumed as stubble on the fire, and shall not deliver their soul from the flame69 .

19. And learn this also, that the soul, before it came into this world, had committed no sin70 , but having come in sinless, we now sin of our free-will.

Listen not, I pray thee, to any one perversely interpreting the words, But if I do that which I would not71 : but remember Him who saith, If ye be willing, and hearken unto Me, ye shall eat the good things of the land: but if ye be not willing, neither hearken unto Me, the sword shall devour you, &c.72 : and again, As ye presented your members as servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity, even so now present your members as servants to righteousness unto sanctification73 .

Remember also the Scripture, which saith, Even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge74 : and, That which may be known of God is manifest in them75 ; and again, their eyes they have closed76 . Also remember how God again accuseth them, and saith, Yet I planted thee a fruitful vine, wholly true: how art thou turned to bitterness, thou the strange vine77 ?

20. The soul is immortal, and all souls are alike both of men and women; for only the members of the body are distinguished78 . There is not a class of souls sinning by nature, and a class of souls practising righteousness by nature79 : but both act from choice, the substance of their souls being of one kind only, and alike in all. I know, however, that I am talking much, and that the time is already long: but what is more precious than salvation? Art thou not willing to take trouble in getting provisions for the way against the heretics?

And wilt thou not learn the bye-paths of the road, lest from ignorance thou fall down a precipice? If thy teachers think it no small gain for thee to learn these things, shouldest not thou the learner gladly receive the multitude of things told thee?

21. The soul is self-governed: and though the devil can suggest, he has not the power to compel against the will. He pictures to thee the thought of fornication: if thou wilt, thou acceptest it; if thou wilt not, thou rejectest. For if thou wert a fornicator by necessity, then for what cause did God prepare hell?

If thou were a doer of righteousness by nature and not by will, wherefore did God prepare crowns of ineffable glory? The sheep is gentle, but never was it crowned for its gentleness: since its gentle quality belongs to it not from choice but by nature (Letter IV, 18-21)

John Chrysostom [Freewill]

What then? Does nothing depend on God? All indeed depends on God, but not so that our free-will is hindered. `If then it depend on God,' (one says), `why does He blame us?' On this account I said, `so that our free-will is no hindered.'

It depends then on us, and on Him For we must first choose the good; and then He leads us to His own. He does not anticipate our choice, lest our free-will should be outraged. But when we have chosen, then great is the assistance he brings to us.
How is it then that Paul says, "not of him that willeth," if it depend on ourselves also "nor of him that runneth, but of God that showeth mercy." (Rom. ix. 16.)

In the first place, he did not introduce it as his own opinion, but inferred it from what was before him and from what had been put forward [in the discussion]. For after saying, "It is written, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion" (Rom. ix. 15),he says, "It follows then that it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that showeth mercy." "Thou wilt say then unto me, why doth He yet find fault?" (Rom. ix. 16, Rom. ix. 19.)

And secondly the other explanation may be given, that he speaks of all as His, whose the greater part is. For it is ours to choose and to wish; but God's to complete and to bring to an end. Since therefore the greater part is of Him, he says all is of Him, speaking according to the custom of men. For so we ourselves also do. I mean for instance: we see a house well built, and we say the whole is the

Architect's [doing], and yet certainly it is not all his, but the workmen's also, and the owner's, who supplies the materials, and many others', but nevertheless since he contributed the greatest share, we call the whole his. So then [it is] in this case also.

Again, with respect to a number of people, where the many are, we say All are: where few, nobody. So also Paul says, "not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that showeth mercy" (Homilies on the Epistle to the Hebrews, Homily XII)

Gregory of Nyssa [FreeWill]

This reasoning and intelligent creature, man, at once the work and the likeness of the Divine and Imperishable Mind (for so in the Creation it is written of him that "God made man in His image67 "), this creature, I say, did not in the course of his first production have united to the very essence of his nature the liability to passion and to death. Indeed, the truth about the image could never have been maintained if the beauty reflected in that image had been in the slightest degree opposed68 to the Archetypal Beauty.

Passion was introduced afterwards, subsequent to man's first organization; and it was in this way. Being the image and the likeness, as has been said, of the Power which rules all things, man kept also in the matter of a Free-Will this likeness to Him whose Will is over all. He was enslaved to no outward necessity whatever; his feeling towards that which pleased him depended only on his own private judgment;

he was free to choose whatever he liked; and so he was a free agent, though circumvented with cunning, when he drew upon himself that disaster which now overwhelms humanity. He became himself the discoverer of evil, but he did not therein discover what God had made; for God did not make death. Man became, in fact, himself the fabricator, to a certain extent, and the craftsman of evil.

All who have the faculty of sight may enjoy equally the sunlight; and any one can if he likes put this enjoyment from him by shutting his eyes: in that case it is not that the sun retires and produces that darkness, but the man himself puts a barrier between his eye and the sunshine; the faculty of vision cannot indeed, even in the closing of the eyes, remain inactive69 , and so this operative sight necessarily becomes an operative darkness70 rising up in the man from his own free act in ceasing to see.

Again, a man in building a house for himself may omit to make in it any way of entrance for the light; he will necessarily be in darkness, though he cuts himself off from the light voluntarily. So the first man on the earth, or rather he who generated evil in man, had for choice the Good and the Beautiful lying all around him in the very nature of things; yet he wilfully cut out a new way for himself against this nature, and in the act of turning away from virtue, which was his own free act, he created the usage of evil.

For, be it observed, there is no such thing in the world as evil irrespective of a will, and discoverable in a substance apart from that. Every creature of God is good, and nothing of His "to be rejected"; all that God made was "very good71 ." But the habit of sinning entered as we have described, and with fatal quickness, into the life of man; and from that small beginning spread into this infinitude of evil.

Then that godly beauty of the soul which was an imitation of the Archetypal Beauty, like fine steel blackened72 with the vicious rust, preserved no longer the glory of its familiar essence, but was disfigured with the ugliness of sin. This thing so great and precious73 , as the Scripture calls him, this being man, has fallen from his proud birthright.

As those who have slipped and fallen heavily into mud, and have all their features so besmeared with it, that their nearest friends do not recognize them, so this creature has fallen into the mire of sin and lost the blessing of being an image of the imperishable Deity; he has clothed himself instead with a perishable and foul resemblance to something else; and this Reason counsels him to put away again by washing it off in the cleansing water of this calling74 .

The earthly envelopment once removed, the soul's beauty will again appear. Now the putting off of a strange accretion is equivalent to the return to that which is familiar and natural; yet such a return cannot be but by again becoming that which in the beginning we were created.

In fact this likeness to the divine is not our work at all; it is not the achievement of any faculty of man; it is the great gift of God bestowed upon our nature at the very moment of our birth; human efforts can only go so far as to clear away the filth of sin, and so cause the buried beauty of the soul to shine forth again.

This truth is, I think, taught in the Gospel, when our Lord says, to those who can hear what Wisdom speaks beneath a mystery, that "the Kingdom of God is within you75 ." That word76 points out the fact that the Divine good is not something apart from our nature, and is not removed far away from those who have the will to seek it; it is in fact within each of us, ignored indeed, and unnoticed while it is stifled beneath the cares and pleasures of life, but found again whenever we can turn our power of conscious thinking towards it (On Virginity, Chapter XII)

Guadentius, a Donatist [Freewill]

"God created man free in his own image. How, then, am I to be deprived of that by human lordship which God has bestowed on me? What a sacrilege, that human arrogance should take away what God has bestowed on me, and idly boast of doing this on God's behalf? "It is a great offence against God, when he is defended by men. "What must he think of God who would defend him with outward force?

Is it that God is unable to punish offenses against himself? "Hear what the Lord says: Peace I give unto you; not as the world giveth, give I unto you.

"The peace of the world must be introduced among contending nations by arms and the force of war. The peace of Christ invites the willing, with wholesome mildness; it never forces men against their wills." (Quotations from the Writings of Gaudentius Against the Catholics)

Petilan, a Donatist [Presecution and Freewill]

Did the apostles ever persecute any one? Or did Christ ever deliver any one over to the secular power? Christ commands us to flee persectors, (Matt. X.:23). Thou who calls thyself a disciple of Christ oughtest not to imitate the deeds of the heathen. Think you thus to serve God by destroying us with your hands? Ye err, ye err, poor mortals, if ye believe this; for God has not executioners for His priests.

Christ persecutes no one, for He was for inviting, not forcing men to the faith. Our Lord Christ says: No man come unto me unless the Father who sent me draw him. But why do you not permit every man to follow his own free-will, since God the Lord himself has bestowed this free-will upon man? He has simply the way of righteousness, that none might be lost through ignorance.

Christ, in dying for men, has given Christians the example to die, but not to kill. Christ teaches us to suffer wrong, not to requite it. The apostle tells us of what he had endured, not of what he had done to others. But what have you to do with the princes of this world, in whom the Christian cause has only found enemies? (Augustin Contra Petilana, in Ladners Gospel Testimony, also Neander)

Balthasar Hubmaier, a famous Anabaptist [FreeWill]

If thou wilt enter the life, keep the commandments; if ye want to live according to the flesh, ye will die; if ye will walk according to the spirit, ye shall live. Hence arose the proverb of the ancients: Man, help thyself, and then I will help thee. God speaks forth and gives strength through his Word. Now through the power of the Word man can help himself--or can willfully neglect to do so--and this is brought home to him.

Therefore it is said God created you without your aid, but he will not save you without your aid. Since God first created the light, whoever will receive it may do so according to God's promise. Whoever despis-es it, falls, by God's judgment, into darkness (John 1: 5 ff; 3: 19). The talent that one would not use, but hides it in a napkin, is justly taken from him (Matt. 25: 24 ff.).( Hubmaier, "On Free Will," Spiritual and Anabaptist, 119-121.)

John Denck, South German Anabaptist or Bethren [FreeWill]

If he already takes away the creaturely [that is, the evils of unbelief], as often hap-pens for many, then he gives man absolute free choice, as he gave in the begin-ning, in such a way that man might grasp either the good or the bad.( John Denck, "Whether God is the Cause of Evil," Spiritual and Anabaptist, 97.)

John Wesley [FreeWill]

4. See, then, upon the whole, how little reason we have to repine at the fall of our first parent; since herefrom we may derive such unspeakable advantages, both in time and eternity. See how small pretence there is for questioning the mercy of God in permitting that event to take place; since therein mercy, by infinite degrees, rejoices over judgment. Where then is the man that presumes to blame God for not preventing Adam's sin?

Should we not rather bless him from the ground of the heart, for therein laying the grand scheme of man's redemption, and making way for that glorious manifestation of his wisdom, holiness, justice, and mercy? If, indeed, God had decreed, before the foundation of the world, that millions of men should dwell in everlasting burnings, because Adam sinned hundreds or thousands of years before they had a being. I know not who could thank him for this, unless the devil and his angels: Seeing, on this supposition, all those millions of unhappy spirits would be plunged into hell by Adam's sin, without any possible advantage from it.

But, blessed be God, this is not the case. Such a decree never existed. On the contrary, every one born of a woman may be an unspeakable gainer thereby: And none ever was or can be a loser but by his own choice.

5. We see here a full answer to that plausible account of the origin of evil, published to the world some years since, and supposed to be unanswerable: That it "necessarily resulted from the nature of matter, which God was not able to alter."

It is very kind in this sweet-tongued orator to make an excuse for God! But there is really no occasion for it: God hath answered for himself. He made man in his own image; a spirit endued with understanding and liberty. Man, abusing that liberty, produced evil; brought sin and pain into the world.

This God permitted, in order to a fuller manifestation of his wisdom, justice, and mercy, by bestowing on all who would receive it an infinitely greater happiness than they could possibly have attained if Adam had not fallen. (Sermon 59: Gods Love to Fallen Man, 1872 edition)

Real Confessions of Faith
1). Waldensian Confession of Faith at 1120 A.D.
2). The Schleitheim Confession of Faith at February 24, 1527
3). The Dordrecht Confession of Faith at April 21, 1632
4). Thomas Helwys Confession at 1611
5). A Short Confession of Faith by John Smith at 1609.
6). Waldensian Confession of 1544
7). A Short and Brief Narrative of the Faith at 1691
. Articles of the New Connexion at 1770
9). The Standard Confession of 1660
10). True Gospel Faith of 1654
11). Liberty Article Confession of Faith at 1824
12). General Association of 1870
13). Brief Statement of Mennonite Doctrine at 1963
14). Aposltes Creed of the 200s.
15). Athanasius Creed of the 300s.

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